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nbc's rob mott now with the details. >> reporter: good day to you from the michigan state capital where we saw a lot of protesters out here protesting two measures that the house passed today that would bar unions from forcing people to join those unions as a condition of employment. sometime tomorrow governor rick schneider is expected to sign them into law make michigan the 24th right-to-work state in the country, joining a lot of others where the gop has majority in the state legislatures. now, a lot of these workers today were dismayed at the timing of all of this. this is taking place during a lame duck session of the legislature when a new body is being sworn in here, and in a month's time it's going to have a few more democrats than we saw here today, so when i sat down with the governor this afternoon i asked him why not delay this just a little bit longer, let a new body come in and give workers and people around the state of michigan more opportunity to debate this issue. he says it was not going to go away, that it doesn't make any sense to allow this debate to continue, that
nbc's rob mott now with the details. >> reporter: good day to you from the michigan state capital where we saw a lot of protesters out here protesting two measures that the house passed today that would bar unions from forcing people to join those unions as a condition of employment. sometime tomorrow governor rick schneider is expected to sign them into law make michigan the 24th right-to-work state in the country, joining a lot of others where the gop has majority in the state...
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we have a michigan republican controlled legislature right now. is that why you dove into this now while you could? >> tracy, thanks for joining us. this is a monumental night because it's a monumental win for michigan's workers. we kept the focus on the workers, their freedom to choose which organizations to join and what they don't want to join. we know there were clashes. we know people demonstrated inappropriately, but good stories as well. cleanup happening on the lawn by the demonstrators, but the point is throughout it all, we have to keep focus on people going to work every day to literally build our state. tracy: right, because now it's easier to woo companies into michigan to bring jobs; right? the states like south carolina, alabama, texas, have seen a boom in companies coming to work there because, well, it's easier, and it's cheaper african-american they don't have to -- and they don't have to deal with the unions. >> two policy conversations that happened, and then there was the political. the democrats and union bosses focused on th
we have a michigan republican controlled legislature right now. is that why you dove into this now while you could? >> tracy, thanks for joining us. this is a monumental night because it's a monumental win for michigan's workers. we kept the focus on the workers, their freedom to choose which organizations to join and what they don't want to join. we know there were clashes. we know people demonstrated inappropriately, but good stories as well. cleanup happening on the lawn by the...
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they claim they're helping the michigan economy. but michigan voters don't seem to agree. this is a number that is astounding. a new poll out shows that only 6% of voters surveyed want the legislature to make michigan a right to work state. union members say michigan republicans are simply hurting the economy. >>. >> tell me what democracy looks like! >> we're still here. we're still going to fight, even when the odds are stacked against us. >> i know that they're saying that right to work will make more jobs. but i don't think that. i believe that right to work is going to hurt the people out there. >> to take that away by this kind of right-wing attack by the republican administration is a disgrace to everything michigan has stood for decades and decades. >> so governor snyder, i find it interesting. if you sign this, how can you stand in front of the people and say this is what the people want with a number like that? this is how serious this issue is tonight. the entire democratic delegation called a special meeting with the michigan governor. senator debbie stabenow,
they claim they're helping the michigan economy. but michigan voters don't seem to agree. this is a number that is astounding. a new poll out shows that only 6% of voters surveyed want the legislature to make michigan a right to work state. union members say michigan republicans are simply hurting the economy. >>. >> tell me what democracy looks like! >> we're still here. we're still going to fight, even when the odds are stacked against us. >> i know that they're saying...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> and one top union official has vowed to wage war against lawmakers that support the measure saying, quote, we are going to take you out. nbc's ron mott has the latest of lansing. >> reporter: good afternoon, tamron. protest is the word of the day. they're voicing opposition to this legislation that would make michigan the 24th right to work state in the country. now, the governor rick snyder is expected to sign this legislation when and if it hits his desk. a lot of folks here believe that this is a back door attempt at trying to limit democracy in the state of michigan. you can hear some of the protests behind me and union workers here believe it's a direct attempt at trying to break the backs of the unions as i should say and a lot of folks believe that this is payback for the result of the election on november 6th. the re-election of president obama. i spoke with the head of the chamber of commerce here in michigan. he believes this
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> and one top union official has vowed to wage war against lawmakers that support the measure saying, quote, we are going to take you out. nbc's ron mott has the latest of lansing. >> reporter: good afternoon, tamron. protest is the word of the day. they're voicing opposition to this legislation that would make michigan the 24th right to work state in the country. now, the governor rick snyder is...
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the president flew to michigan where helasted the republican-led state legislature and the republican governor fo their support of righto-work legislation. his timing could hardly have been worse that worker rights leglation will be voted on and gen final approval tomorrow and be sgned into law by govern rick snyder. michigan becomes the 24th state in the nation to ratify a aw that protects workers from being forced to pay union dues a a condition of their employment. we'll be examining tonight what's happening inichigan and in washington, d.c. with the author of "shadow bosses: how government. employee unions control america and rob taxpayer blind." llory factor joins us. also tonight, egypt's president, muhammad morsi, ordering the egan military to arrest people in the street even as he claimed to have rescinded the ctatorial powers he assumed which have spurre violent demonstrations. and a new intelligence report concludes that america's time as the lone perpower is nearing an end. former director of national intelligence jo negro panty joins us to talk about our future as a superp
the president flew to michigan where helasted the republican-led state legislature and the republican governor fo their support of righto-work legislation. his timing could hardly have been worse that worker rights leglation will be voted on and gen final approval tomorrow and be sgned into law by govern rick snyder. michigan becomes the 24th state in the nation to ratify a aw that protects workers from being forced to pay union dues a a condition of their employment. we'll be examining tonight...
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we'll be examining tonight what's happening in michigan and in washington, d.c. with the author of "shadow bosses: how government. employee unions control america and rob taxpayers blind." mallory factor joins us. also tonight, egypt's president, muhammad morsi, ordering the egyptian military to arrest people in the street even as he claimed to have rescinded the dictatorial powers he assumed which have spurred violent demonstrations. and a new intelligence report concludes that america's time as the lone superpower is nearing an end. former director of national intelligence john negro panty joins us to talk about our future as a superpower and the challenges that we'll surely face. we begin tonight with one of the few scheduling misadventures of president obama's swire tenure in -- entire tenure in office. the president speaking to autoworkers outside detroit today, a day before governor snyder will sign michigan's newly-passed right-to-work law into effect. the president standing firmly with the unions that worked hard to get him reelected. >> what we shouldn't
we'll be examining tonight what's happening in michigan and in washington, d.c. with the author of "shadow bosses: how government. employee unions control america and rob taxpayers blind." mallory factor joins us. also tonight, egypt's president, muhammad morsi, ordering the egyptian military to arrest people in the street even as he claimed to have rescinded the dictatorial powers he assumed which have spurred violent demonstrations. and a new intelligence report concludes that...
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. >> michigan passed controversial right to work laws. we're on top of developing news. >> i'm krystal ball we fight for the right to party. it's a holiday party after the show and we'll be well behaved. >> sort of. >> i'm steve kornacki. i'm a resident party animal. you haven't seen the pictures of the 2002 massachusetts gubernatorial debate watch party. >> what? >> we stand corrected. it's always a party here in "the cycle." >>> developing news this hour. protesters rae main out of michigan's capitol building urging the governor not to sign right to work legislation and barring them from requiring workers to pay union dues as a condition of employment. the state house passed both bills today dealing with private and public sector unions. protesters were shouting "shame on you" from the gallery. michael moore said they're up to 15,000 people at the protest. state senate passed both bills last week and now michigan governor rick snyder says he'll sign them as early as tomorrow. nbc's ron mott is there. what's the latest? >> reporter: hey
. >> michigan passed controversial right to work laws. we're on top of developing news. >> i'm krystal ball we fight for the right to party. it's a holiday party after the show and we'll be well behaved. >> sort of. >> i'm steve kornacki. i'm a resident party animal. you haven't seen the pictures of the 2002 massachusetts gubernatorial debate watch party. >> what? >> we stand corrected. it's always a party here in "the cycle." >>>...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for "the washington post." ruth, this whole issue in the midwest, this used to be most likely in the southern states, but this really is moving, and we're seeing a real decline in union household membership about half what it was 40 years ago. it used to be 24%. now it's 11.8%. >> unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling. their penetration, the private sector is something like 7% of the private sector work force is unionized, and i have to say -- i don't use words like this very often, i thought some of
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for...
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>>> incredible scenes out of lansing, michigan. earlier today the michigan legislature passed the right to work bill essentially ending mandatory union payments all in a state that gave birth to u affi aw. goes to members desk. live in lansing, joe. >> reporter: well, it got ugly here a little while ago. the demonstrators parked in front of the capital most of the day. this is the scene just outside the capital across the street and in front of the governor's office. massive state police troopers have tried to force the crowd north down the streets to try to get them from the front of the governor's office. we understand the governor is going to sign this legislation any minute now or any time this afternoon. as can you see there's a very, very large standoff, if you will, right now, both front and back of us of supporters of organized labor in the state of michigan and elsewhere, as well as michigan state police trooper trying to keep some sort of semblance of order here. again, the house in michigan passed legislation earlier tod
>>> incredible scenes out of lansing, michigan. earlier today the michigan legislature passed the right to work bill essentially ending mandatory union payments all in a state that gave birth to u affi aw. goes to members desk. live in lansing, joe. >> reporter: well, it got ugly here a little while ago. the demonstrators parked in front of the capital most of the day. this is the scene just outside the capital across the street and in front of the governor's office. massive...
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it all unfolds in michigan. is it the new wisconsin? find out what is driving the big change in the state. that's home to one of the most powerful unions out there. the united auto workers. good morning from washington, tuesday, december 11th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. one of those times in washington when the less that is said the better the news may be, that is if you hope lawmakers and the president come to an agreement on a verdict in this so-called fiscal cliff. we know some of you don't want to deal, but the president has no public events today and not many planned for this week. many at the white house and congress believe the less that anyonecome pains publicly the better the chances are at striking some sort of fragile deal. the president was back on the road monday trying to wheel a little bit of his political capital to drive home the deal that he wants at a minimum on the fiscal cliff. >> typical middle class family of four will see an income tax hike of around $2,200 how many of you can afford to pay another $ $2,200 in taxes?
it all unfolds in michigan. is it the new wisconsin? find out what is driving the big change in the state. that's home to one of the most powerful unions out there. the united auto workers. good morning from washington, tuesday, december 11th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. one of those times in washington when the less that is said the better the news may be, that is if you hope lawmakers and the president come to an agreement on a verdict in this so-called fiscal cliff. we know some of you don't want...
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we want a michigan for everybody. and i think you see the turnout today, you hear the reaction around the state of michigan, people don't want the right-wing agenda that's being passed in this lame duck. >> reporter: here's my question. the argument that the governor makes and republicans here and supporters of this is why not give individual workers a choice to join the union if they want to join the union. wouldn't it make you and the leaders of the unions present a case to be part of it? why not give them that choice? >> they already have that choice. again, the right wing doesn't put the honest facts out there. under u.s. labor law, people have a choice -- >> reporter: that's true, but if you work on the line at ford or gw -- or gm, you have to pay in a large percentage of those union dues. that's the way it works. >> you don't have to be a union member. but you have to pay your fair share. just like if you live in a community, you pay for your fair share of the road cleaning, of the police, of the fire. people wh
we want a michigan for everybody. and i think you see the turnout today, you hear the reaction around the state of michigan, people don't want the right-wing agenda that's being passed in this lame duck. >> reporter: here's my question. the argument that the governor makes and republicans here and supporters of this is why not give individual workers a choice to join the union if they want to join the union. wouldn't it make you and the leaders of the unions present a case to be part of...
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we'll take you back to michigan as we hear more. obviously a lot of people on both sides debating this today. rick: we're all over that important story. we're also following new developments out of north korea and that country's plan to test a long range rocket. the launch was scheduled to happen any day now. north korea dismantling the rocket to take it off the lawn of pad. is the north caving in to international pressure or could this mean something else entirely. >>> also a kansas family murdered in their homes. the year, 1959. that story brought to live in the chilling crime book. "in cold blood." clues in florida to another family murdered in florida may be tied it this. dr. michael baden looking at brand new developments in a old case. when we come right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ]
we'll take you back to michigan as we hear more. obviously a lot of people on both sides debating this today. rick: we're all over that important story. we're also following new developments out of north korea and that country's plan to test a long range rocket. the launch was scheduled to happen any day now. north korea dismantling the rocket to take it off the lawn of pad. is the north caving in to international pressure or could this mean something else entirely. >>> also a kansas...
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thousands battling over michigan's right to work. will the governor reconsider the controversial measure. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two d
thousands battling over michigan's right to work. will the governor reconsider the controversial measure. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp...
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unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes reminiscent of the battles over union rights in wisconsin and in ohio last year. david corn, we -- the president has sort of -- was in michigan yesterday, and bundled this into a bigger message about the middle class, working americans. is this a good time for republicans to be on the side -- well, against workers rights in the context of this broader conversation we're having? >> you know, we shall see here because they clearly have the votes and snyder says he is going to do this. you see the response. you saw the response in wisconsin. their walker survived the fight. i assume this will be
unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes...
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president obama today speaking at a truck engine plant in michigan said he's willing to give a little but he's not willing to compromise when it comes to higher taxes on the wealthiest americans. notice, though, he did not say he was married to a specific rate, such as all the way back to the clinton-era levels. as for house speaker boehner who he met with yesterday at the white house, he said the gop offer remains the same, no rate hikes. however, there were more signs over the weekend that republican unity may be cracking a little bit with a number of lawmakers who want to take the tax issue off the table asap. >> there is a growing group of folks looking at this and realizes we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i actually think it has merit. i actually am beginning to believe that's the best route for us to take. >> what we ought to be working on is the other 93% because even if you do what he wants to do on tax
president obama today speaking at a truck engine plant in michigan said he's willing to give a little but he's not willing to compromise when it comes to higher taxes on the wealthiest americans. notice, though, he did not say he was married to a specific rate, such as all the way back to the clinton-era levels. as for house speaker boehner who he met with yesterday at the white house, he said the gop offer remains the same, no rate hikes. however, there were more signs over the weekend that...
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topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition of employment. republican governor schneider saying that he'll sign that bill right away making michigan the 24th state with the right to work. >>> yesterday president obama joined the chorus of voices condemning this move. >> by the way, what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your right to bargain for better wages. giving you the right to work for less money. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. d
topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition...
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he want what is is best for michigan. >> eric: we have to go. >> dana: 57% of michigan agree. >> bob: why did they attack the innocent what did they have against camping? >> eric: they attacked a tent. crowder was trying to make sure no one got hurt inside the tent. coming up, truth about the most controversial scenes in a controversial movie "zero dark thirty." a lot of backlash over the waterboarding staged in the bin laden raid film. keep it right here. on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu users chose prego. prego?! but i've bought ragu for years. [ thinking ] wonder what other questionable choices i've made? i choose date number 2! whooo! [ sigh of relief ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego. the red cross was down here all the time. [ man ] they've given us a lot of heart. in times of need, they're there. ♪ [ kerry ] my dad was watching his house burn. he turned around, and all of a sudden, therwas this guy standing there from the red cross. at a point where i had just lost everything, the idea that there was someone there... that
he want what is is best for michigan. >> eric: we have to go. >> dana: 57% of michigan agree. >> bob: why did they attack the innocent what did they have against camping? >> eric: they attacked a tent. crowder was trying to make sure no one got hurt inside the tent. coming up, truth about the most controversial scenes in a controversial movie "zero dark thirty." a lot of backlash over the waterboarding staged in the bin laden raid film. keep it right here. on...
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take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later... [ shirt ] merry christmas, everybody! not so much. ho ho ho! this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. it doesn't matter which
take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your...
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this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being xet at this just like everyone else in our society and we look forward to them being more responsive to workers. >> one last question, i know the funding relationship of mr. king as i said he was elected press of an international union with a good reputation. your organization i want to know more about. again, for the fifth time, who pays your salary? >> i told you i work for americans for prosperity. >> who pays your salary? >> i told you, americans for prosperity. >> and who is that? >> that's a nonprofit. we have over 87,000 activists. >> are the koch brothers behind you? jus
this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being xet at this just like everyone else in our...
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the michigan legislature voted in favor of two right to work bills giving employees and unionized shops the right to refuse to pay union dues. governor reich snyder expected to sign tomorrow even though thousands of people continue to protest outside the michigan state capitol building in lancing. it covers shops, but exempts police and firefighter unions. stub hub strikes out with major league baseball clubs and three are droppling them, yankees, chicago cub, and l.a. angels of anaheim no longer sell tickets on the website although major league baseball extended the partnership with stubhub through 2017. we continue the count down to the closing bell with the original bond girl who said, "diamonds are forever." liz claman? liz: one retailer down in the dumps, but it's shown signs of life. let's get to nicole's on the floor of the new york stock exchange. our diamond girl there. >> hey, thanks. jc penney under pressure with the idea that pronotions, sales, and coupons are not the way, but just great prices all the time. what happened? people didn't go there. people like promotions. he's
the michigan legislature voted in favor of two right to work bills giving employees and unionized shops the right to refuse to pay union dues. governor reich snyder expected to sign tomorrow even though thousands of people continue to protest outside the michigan state capitol building in lancing. it covers shops, but exempts police and firefighter unions. stub hub strikes out with major league baseball clubs and three are droppling them, yankees, chicago cub, and l.a. angels of anaheim no...
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michigan would be the 24th state. this isn't a new discussion nationwide. 24 states in the next couple of days will be the right-to-work states that will put us in a better position for worker freedom where they have the chance to actually choose to participate without it being compelled to do so. >> let me just say... ifill: go ahead, congressman. let me say in terms of brand new. look, there has been no airing of this issue in michigan. >> i disagree completely congressman. >> let me finish. ifill: gentlemen, one at a time. i'll give you your opportunity to respond. >> let me finish. what happened was this. there was an election. this is a lame-duck session. it was decided, well, because of the election, maybe you can't get it through next year so push it through. there are no hearings ever been held on this in the state of michigan. we've had a pattern ofy fek live labor-management relations for many many years. now you're going to set people against each other. there's no coercion here. nobody has to join a union
michigan would be the 24th state. this isn't a new discussion nationwide. 24 states in the next couple of days will be the right-to-work states that will put us in a better position for worker freedom where they have the chance to actually choose to participate without it being compelled to do so. >> let me just say... ifill: go ahead, congressman. let me say in terms of brand new. look, there has been no airing of this issue in michigan. >> i disagree completely congressman....
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it's important to michigan. two suburban school districts in and around detroit have shut down, because teachers won't be available to be in class, because hundreds of teachers are taking personal days to come here to have their voices heard as well. so one little facet of this, showing how important it is to the state. >> alison kosik, live in michigan, thank you very much. >>> six minutes after the hour. he's the warrior and hero who helped free an american doctor from the taliban. more about nicholas cheque. hard working, enthusiastic, joined the navy in 2002 after graduating from high school. checque received the bronze star during his ten-year career. a real true life hero. >> a life taken too soon. >>> it appears syria has gotten the message it should not use chemical weapons against rebels trying to overthrow the assad regime. >> we haven't seen anything new indicating any aggressive steps to move forward in that way. but we continue to monitor it very closely and we continue to make clear to them that th
it's important to michigan. two suburban school districts in and around detroit have shut down, because teachers won't be available to be in class, because hundreds of teachers are taking personal days to come here to have their voices heard as well. so one little facet of this, showing how important it is to the state. >> alison kosik, live in michigan, thank you very much. >>> six minutes after the hour. he's the warrior and hero who helped free an american doctor from the...
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jeff flock is in lansing michigan covering the story for us. i thought it was interesting how you covered the scene there with michigan a few years back, excuse me, wisconsin. >> wisconsin, exactly. not the same kind of intensity. part of that is because this is already pretty much a done deal. there they had not a teacher headed off. the second one being debated right now. but renew over here to the scene of the george romney state office building. george romney, former governor of wisconsin, and father of mitt romney. the large group of protesters are trying to get into the crowd and see. they have essentially ringed the entrance of the building trying to make their voices heard. they feel very frustrated. they feel this had passed in a lame duck session without the opportunity for there to be more debate about it. that is their feeling. at this point you mentioned a little bit of white you could call it violence. nothing serious at this point, but we want to keep an eye on this because there are lots of folks, pretty hard to believe michigan
jeff flock is in lansing michigan covering the story for us. i thought it was interesting how you covered the scene there with michigan a few years back, excuse me, wisconsin. >> wisconsin, exactly. not the same kind of intensity. part of that is because this is already pretty much a done deal. there they had not a teacher headed off. the second one being debated right now. but renew over here to the scene of the george romney state office building. george romney, former governor of...
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not just in michigan but beyond michigan borders. >> one of the things i've watched the labor movement do over the last basically four or five years is a lot of the focus was on getting barack obama or a democrat elected president and also getting representatives and senators elected to washington. i think they took their eye off the ball to some extent in these local races. well now we see what happens when you don't have the feet on the ground, the money in the local races, you end up with state legislatures that are unfriendly to labor causes. so i think the wake-up call for labor nationally to focus on some of these states. i'm thinking about ohio now. ohio passed and then repealed a limit on collective bargaining for public employees but it doesn't mean that the issue won't come up there again. states like pennsylvania are not right to work states. there are still opportunities for the conservative movement, the antilabor movement, to go in for right to work. i think someone maybe in the labor movement will say, okay, we draw a land in the sand with michigan. we can't let this spr
not just in michigan but beyond michigan borders. >> one of the things i've watched the labor movement do over the last basically four or five years is a lot of the focus was on getting barack obama or a democrat elected president and also getting representatives and senators elected to washington. i think they took their eye off the ball to some extent in these local races. well now we see what happens when you don't have the feet on the ground, the money in the local races, you end up...
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traveled to michigan yesterday. john boehner went on the floor and said i need to see their spending cuts. that's what's going on in the public level. privately staff are working together and the fundamentals remain in place for a deal. don't know if it's before or after christmas or before new years or just after it, but i believe will happen. >> all the vacations are planned, right? >> we've reached one of the weirdest days because speaker boehner came out and said the president has not offered specific spending cuts and the president says we've offered spending cuts and it's gotten to this point of childish points and these guys are saying did not and these guys are saying did, too, and these guys again saying did not. i agree with john. they need to get really close then because then there's a sense of urgency and that's what they feel like they can get the votes to get this done right up to the edge of disaster. >> it's not he said, she said. they have put out spending cuts. >> $600 billion that the president t
traveled to michigan yesterday. john boehner went on the floor and said i need to see their spending cuts. that's what's going on in the public level. privately staff are working together and the fundamentals remain in place for a deal. don't know if it's before or after christmas or before new years or just after it, but i believe will happen. >> all the vacations are planned, right? >> we've reached one of the weirdest days because speaker boehner came out and said the president...
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demonstrators came from all over michigan and neighboring states. united auto worker, teamsters, brotherhood of ewhether he can tri call workers and school teachers. the school district reports 750 staffers called in sick and schools were closed. this is a fight that the michigan governor, republican rick snyder said he did not want. he says he warned labor proponents against an effort called proposition two. which would have enshrineed selective bargaining rights in the michigan constitution. that ballot issue failed in the november election. >> what continued after that is start of the discussion right to work. >> it became a loud and boisterous discussion. so i felt at times in terms of the good leadership to say i didn't want it on my agenda now. it's here. >> demonstrators say working men and women are the subject of political retribution. >> retribution for standing up and fighting for working people. they want to us attack the different groups. they attack us. >> right to work legislation would outlaw the mandatory union due and membership as
demonstrators came from all over michigan and neighboring states. united auto worker, teamsters, brotherhood of ewhether he can tri call workers and school teachers. the school district reports 750 staffers called in sick and schools were closed. this is a fight that the michigan governor, republican rick snyder said he did not want. he says he warned labor proponents against an effort called proposition two. which would have enshrineed selective bargaining rights in the michigan constitution....
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in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo salaries can be higher when workers' wages are lower. >> julian, by our count seven 69 ten poorest states in the u.s. are right to work states. >> exactly. >> nine of the ten richest are not. >> that's true. >> why do they support this legislation claiming that it helps workers? it does the exact opposite. >> if you look at the right to work states, they generally tend to have lower wages, generally tend to have higher unemployment. the argument on the other side was economic growth, they tend to be growing faster. >> so that's the rick perry argument. >>
in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo...
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particularly in michigan. michigan is a a state that was create -- created by labor unions and probably a hire percentage of labor unions in michigan than any other state. we'll be right back with amanda terkel from "huffington post." >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." at facebook.com/billpressshow and on twitter at bpshow. >>i believe people are hungry for it. >>bill shares his views, now it's your turn. >>i know you're going to want to weigh in on these issues. >>connect with "full court press with bill press" at facebook.com/billpressshow and on twitter at bpshow. >>i believe people are hungry for it. let's rock and roll. there is so much going on that every day presents another exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear bomb, civil war in syria, fraud on wall street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things everyday exploding around the world that leave
particularly in michigan. michigan is a a state that was create -- created by labor unions and probably a hire percentage of labor unions in michigan than any other state. we'll be right back with amanda terkel from "huffington post." >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." at facebook.com/billpressshow and on twitter at bpshow. >>i believe people are hungry for it. >>bill shares his views, now it's your turn. >>i...
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wearing my hat in solidarity with the workers in michigan. and new sexy liberal celebrity guest. squee. chris, jim, and jacki will open the show. >> i have been told to wear something tight. >> stephanie: it will be a liberal gasm. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: aim right? >> they are going to go ape dump. >> stephanie: two huge surprise celebrity guests. >> i'm going to go ape dump meeting the people. >> stephanie: this is where you say is it the president? >> is it the president? >> stephanie: it is not the president. he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected. why not doing the tea bagging demonstration demonstration. >> what hilary? >> stephanie: it could be. oh, looky here kimberly sent us a picture of her with the president. >> awe! >> stephanie: steph row c meet and grope. and yes, president obama does smell like cookies and freedom. that was one aisha tyler quotes. >> stephanie: yes. >> we laugh every single time. >> maybe she is doing a john boehner impression. >> stephanie: something like that. >> four years ago we witnessed the first inauguration of president obama.
wearing my hat in solidarity with the workers in michigan. and new sexy liberal celebrity guest. squee. chris, jim, and jacki will open the show. >> i have been told to wear something tight. >> stephanie: it will be a liberal gasm. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: aim right? >> they are going to go ape dump. >> stephanie: two huge surprise celebrity guests. >> i'm going to go ape dump meeting the people. >> stephanie: this is where you say is it the...
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it's about the foworkers of michigan. they work hard to provide for their families and grow our great state. it's clear they are focused on politics. we're focused on the hard-working men and women who make our state so great. >> what i gather from news reports -- tell me if this isn't right. the teachers union is boycotting and starting to close schools tomorrow in protest. that sort of thing happens, they ought to get fired. first of all, is it true? are they going to boycott school days and hurt the kids? >> we are seeing kids closed because teachers are calling in. it's unfortunate. they need to put kids first. we need to put our future first. that's what the law does. if we get to the debate on the issue, we're asking to give workers the choice so they can make the decision about which organizations they want to join and which they don't want to join. unfortunately a lot of politics get drug in. the issue gets put aside. unfortunately politics demonstrates -- just takes over the issue. we're not going to let it happe
it's about the foworkers of michigan. they work hard to provide for their families and grow our great state. it's clear they are focused on politics. we're focused on the hard-working men and women who make our state so great. >> what i gather from news reports -- tell me if this isn't right. the teachers union is boycotting and starting to close schools tomorrow in protest. that sort of thing happens, they ought to get fired. first of all, is it true? are they going to boycott school...
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i was looking at pictures today of the president in michigan. i thought, wait a minute, i thought the election was over. people are going to see through this. you can't sell them short. they'll figure it out. >> to ben's point, we know americans support raising taxes on people who make over $250,000. that's not many people and most people support other people paying more taxes. so most people support it, why is he out talking about it and not talking to john boehner? >> you might remember there was a bit of a scuffle in the campaign when the president said you can't change washington from the inside. he has long believed that, and not only was he out in michigan, but he engaged his organization, the obama supporters across the country. the campaign sent out an e-mail asking them to call their member of congress. the fact that the public has supported for two years now, 60% of americans have supported higher rates, yet republicans haven't moved. you're seeing an increasing number of republican members of congress dropping off and agreeing with th
i was looking at pictures today of the president in michigan. i thought, wait a minute, i thought the election was over. people are going to see through this. you can't sell them short. they'll figure it out. >> to ben's point, we know americans support raising taxes on people who make over $250,000. that's not many people and most people support other people paying more taxes. so most people support it, why is he out talking about it and not talking to john boehner? >> you might...
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>>guest: why would the president spent yesterday in michigan railing against something that the michigan legislature is going to do when we are facing a few days before going over the cliff? i don't get it. unless the president things he will gain in the short temperature -- term politically by going over the cliff but long term historians put the blame on the president of the up. it may look like a gain short term, but in the long run, is that really helpful to the president's reputation in 20 or 30 years they could not get a deal and push the country into another recession or a short-term recession? >> harry reid, the majority leader, would say very unlikely we would have a deal by christmas, ostensibly we are running out of days on the calendar. if that is the case and he quibbles that the republicans have not come up with specifics, are you against running to the clinton rates or are you okay where that if it avoids the hoops of looking for like revenue? >>guest: i am in favor of anything that gets an agreement. it seems to me, why are we focusing on that narrow part of this entire s
>>guest: why would the president spent yesterday in michigan railing against something that the michigan legislature is going to do when we are facing a few days before going over the cliff? i don't get it. unless the president things he will gain in the short temperature -- term politically by going over the cliff but long term historians put the blame on the president of the up. it may look like a gain short term, but in the long run, is that really helpful to the president's reputation...
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michigan. massive crowds gathering at the state capitol. they're protesting the state's right to work law. the lawmakers set to cast the final votes inside that building this morning. we understand the governor is very ready to sign that into law. very controversial situation going on live in lansing. good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. you are here in america's nice room. >> i'm gregg jarrett in for bill gregg: the right to work vote will mean unions will no longer force workers to pay dues. that the birthplace of the powerful united auto workers union. martha: this has huge national implications over the power of organized labor. governor rick snyder believes there will be more job. he believes the protests hurt more than they help. here he is. >> if you go forward you will create a environment involving labor issues this could rise to the lebl level where i might not keep it off my agenda. i'm not happy about being in this situation. >> he has the responsibility as our leader avoi
michigan. massive crowds gathering at the state capitol. they're protesting the state's right to work law. the lawmakers set to cast the final votes inside that building this morning. we understand the governor is very ready to sign that into law. very controversial situation going on live in lansing. good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. you are here in america's nice room. >> i'm gregg jarrett in for bill gregg: the right to work vote will mean unions will no longer force...
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. >>> president obama in michigan today selling americans on the plan for taxes. we are 22 days away from the cliff. does the plan add up? >>> daring rescue in afghanistan claims the life of an american navy s.e.a.l. as we prepare to go to afghanistan, we take a closer look at the american troop presence and how many americans will stay. >>> and off field violence leads to the death of two nfl violence. why the violence on the field is much more important issue. let's go out front. >>> jup testify-like storm. is it a slope? a downward spiral towards something much worse? the possibility is just 22 days away and sounds ominous but it could be a walk in the park compared with what could happen if lawmakers don't take a closer look at our bigger debt picture and soon. because what they're talking about is peanuts. president obama was in michigan today pushing the fiscal cliff plan and you know what? he made the solution sound so simple. >> when you put it altogether what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class families, we make some tou
. >>> president obama in michigan today selling americans on the plan for taxes. we are 22 days away from the cliff. does the plan add up? >>> daring rescue in afghanistan claims the life of an american navy s.e.a.l. as we prepare to go to afghanistan, we take a closer look at the american troop presence and how many americans will stay. >>> and off field violence leads to the death of two nfl violence. why the violence on the field is much more important issue. let's...
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the president was in michigan speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everyone is going to see their income taxes go um. it's true. you all don't like that. we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that could prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody. [ applause ] that means 98% of americans and probably a hundred percent of ewe. >> some americans are slowly but steadily facing on the reality of fiscal americans. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we had one house. that's it. the presidency and the senates and the democrat's hands. so a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i actually think it has merit where you go in and give the president the two percent increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top two percent. and, all of the sudden, the shift goes back to entitlement. >> well,
the president was in michigan speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everyone is going to see their income taxes go um. it's true. you all don't like that. we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that could prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody. [ applause ] that means 98% of americans and probably a hundred percent of ewe....
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. >>> this morning thousands of people are expected to converge on the michigan state capital in lansing as apartment of a troeshlg union battle that's about to unfold. at issue, the so called "right to work." legislation is being pushed through the republican lawmakers that could come to a final vote as early as today. the law would might illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. opponents say the legislation threatens to weaken the influence of labor unions in a state that is home to the auto industry and has a long history of organized labor. during a visit to detroit yesterday where he intendeded to focus on the fiscal clivgs president obama waded head first into the union battle. >> what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages. we shouldn't be doing that. you know, these so-called right-to-work laws, that i don't have to do with economics. they have everything do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. you only have to look to michigan where
. >>> this morning thousands of people are expected to converge on the michigan state capital in lansing as apartment of a troeshlg union battle that's about to unfold. at issue, the so called "right to work." legislation is being pushed through the republican lawmakers that could come to a final vote as early as today. the law would might illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. opponents say the legislation threatens to weaken the...
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obama the road to michigan he was trying to sell his tax hike proposal. he claimed michigan's law that gives workers the right to choose whether or not they want to be long to a union is about politics not economics. listen to this. >> we have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to better bargains. >> so-called right to work laws they don't have to do with economics they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. we don't want a race to the bottom. we want a race to the top. we -- (applause) >> america is not going to compete based on low skill, low wage, no worker's rights. we have to get past this whole situation where we manufacturer crises because of politics. >> despite what the president said the new right to work law does include collective bargaining rights. while preached the right to workers he says american people show compassion. speaker boehner while he fights to keep america from plunging off the fiscal cliff. >> if you have an
obama the road to michigan he was trying to sell his tax hike proposal. he claimed michigan's law that gives workers the right to choose whether or not they want to be long to a union is about politics not economics. listen to this. >> we have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to better bargains. >> so-called right to work laws they don't have to do with economics they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is...
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michigan voters, the overall households support. this 45% of the union households support the move. 39% of the democratic households support it. 55% of the republican households. there is momentum. they realize they have to do something. this would be a fundamental change. that could alter the history. >> eric: today's news is good example. they are chuging 40s and smoking weed in the lunch break and today they return to building cars that you and i drive the kids to school in. because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because th
michigan voters, the overall households support. this 45% of the union households support the move. 39% of the democratic households support it. 55% of the republican households. there is momentum. they realize they have to do something. this would be a fundamental change. that could alter the history. >> eric: today's news is good example. they are chuging 40s and smoking weed in the lunch break and today they return to building cars that you and i drive the kids to school in. because of...
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michigan governor rick snyder said he will sign that bill. more than 12,000 workers crowded into michigan state capital as legislature began debating right to work law. that prohibits unions from compelling members to be members and pay dues. security was tight. police in rite gear and carrying spray canisters on their belts. >>> what happens to the u.s. economy if we do go over the cliff? >>> the government cashes out of aig. what's next for the company and for the ceo? but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're committed to offering you tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 low-cost investment options-- tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like our exchange traded funds, or etfs tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 which now have the lowest tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 operating expenses tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 in their respective tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 lipper categories. tdd#: 1-800-345-2
michigan governor rick snyder said he will sign that bill. more than 12,000 workers crowded into michigan state capital as legislature began debating right to work law. that prohibits unions from compelling members to be members and pay dues. security was tight. police in rite gear and carrying spray canisters on their belts. >>> what happens to the u.s. economy if we do go over the cliff? >>> the government cashes out of aig. what's next for the company and for the ceo? but...
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michigan is one of the most heavily unionized states. the republican controlled legislature is expected to take action on the bill. for "cbs this morning," elaine quijano, lancing, michigan. >> they will reveal new details about the plane crash that killed jenny rivera. there are already serious questions about the plane and the man at the controls. >> reporter: remains of the deceased reportedly were removed for analysis monday. investigators scoured the crash site for pieces of the plane, but they will be looking at more than the wreckage according to former ntsb investigator. >> what did the pilots do over the last 72 hours? we're going to be looking at their schedule. were they fatigued. >> the reported ages of the pilot, 78, and his temporary license have come under scrutiny. faa records show the registered owner of the leerjet 25 built in 19 69d is starwood management llc of las vegas. the plane's history is one accident in 2005 when ntsb says the plane suffered substantial damage. >> certainly i'd be looking at the condition of th
michigan is one of the most heavily unionized states. the republican controlled legislature is expected to take action on the bill. for "cbs this morning," elaine quijano, lancing, michigan. >> they will reveal new details about the plane crash that killed jenny rivera. there are already serious questions about the plane and the man at the controls. >> reporter: remains of the deceased reportedly were removed for analysis monday. investigators scoured the crash site for...
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here's what the president said yesterday in michigan. [video clip] >> these right to work law don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. [cheers and applause] you only have to look to michigan, where workers were instrumental in reviving the auto industry and to see how unions have helped to build not just a straw upper-middle-class but a stronger america -- stronger middle-class but a stronger america. people and should be focused on the same pink. they should be working to make sure companies like this manufacturer is able to make more great products. that's what they should be focused on. host: distorts free press, courtesy of the newseum in washington, as this headline -- some schools are closed in the state so teachers can also protests that block today. here is the detroit news. there headline -- michigan pro-union people are protesting this law. the republican-led legislature is expected to take it up today. this legi
here's what the president said yesterday in michigan. [video clip] >> these right to work law don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. [cheers and applause] you only have to look to michigan, where workers were instrumental in reviving the auto industry and to see how unions have helped to build not just a straw upper-middle-class but a stronger america -- stronger...
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this is not uniting michigan. this is dividing michigan. jeff: you lost proposition two. you lost that. the governor said that if i know why he brought this to the floor. >> the governor had signed a number of right-wing bills. teachers would not have, be able to outdo deductions. it was crazy. we see the pattern. we try to preempt that by getting proposition two. too many things on the ballot. we did not pass that. we are here to fight that. jeff: great to talk to you. the economy goes on. we will see what the impact of this is. we will give you one more look of the crowd outside the michigan capital. no violence, thus far. dagen: jeff flock, thank you very much. connell: judge andrew napolitano. the president, president obama actually hit on this yesterday. saying the state has the right to work does not mean it takes away the rights of the union. >> right. in a right to work state, what that means is you have the right to a job in the government cannot force you to join a union or if you refuse to join, take dues and give it to the union. the government and say join th
this is not uniting michigan. this is dividing michigan. jeff: you lost proposition two. you lost that. the governor said that if i know why he brought this to the floor. >> the governor had signed a number of right-wing bills. teachers would not have, be able to outdo deductions. it was crazy. we see the pattern. we try to preempt that by getting proposition two. too many things on the ballot. we did not pass that. we are here to fight that. jeff: great to talk to you. the economy goes...
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the president commented today on the battle over michigan's so-called right to work bill. hundreds of demonstrators showed up at the state capitol in lansing to protest the measure. it would make it illegal to force workers to join unions or more specifically to pay dues. supporters say it will bring more jobs to the state but opponents say non-union workers will end up getting union benefits for free. they claim the real goal is to weaken organized labor. >> these so called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. >> this is a state issue. indiana did this under governor mitch daniels a couple years ago. they've had some job growth since then. we have to compete. my district is along the state line. we have to compete with them. >> reporter: if it happens, this would be -- michigan would be the 24th state toes pa the law. the house and senate approved their own versions last week. they're set to pass final bill tomorrow. opponents ar
the president commented today on the battle over michigan's so-called right to work bill. hundreds of demonstrators showed up at the state capitol in lansing to protest the measure. it would make it illegal to force workers to join unions or more specifically to pay dues. supporters say it will bring more jobs to the state but opponents say non-union workers will end up getting union benefits for free. they claim the real goal is to weaken organized labor. >> these so called right to work...